Exclusive Interview with Mr Kamal Narui, spokesman and political representative for Jundollah. Rozhn TVs exclusive interview covers Mr Rigi's arrest and Jundollah's organization past and the future, a MUST watch documentry

7 th april 2010 language Balochi Rozhn TV 

 Homayoon Mobaraki (HM)

As you know the Iranian government has announced that Mr Abdul Malek Rigi has been ar rested. Today's program is about his way of arrest. According to the News Mr Rigi travelled from Quette to Chaman and from Chaman to Kandahar, then to Kabul in Afghanistan and fly from there to Manas. According  to the Iranian government sources Mr Rigi's was captured aboard a plane on his way from Dubai to Manas. According to the Iranian ministery of intelligence, the plane carrying Mr Rigi was forced by the Iranian air force jets to land in Bandar Abbas a coastal city in Iran and Mr Rigi was then arrested. We have an interview with Mr Kamal Narui, senior advisor and incharge of Jondollah in the region. Rozhn TV: Mr Narui, thank you for your kind agreement to have this interview with Rozhn TV today.  Question: It is one month ago since Mr Rigi was arrested. In your previous reports you have mentioned that several countries have cooperated in the arrest of Mr Rigi. We also know that the embassador of Pakistan Mr Mohammad Bakhsh Abbasi in a press conference in Tehran has confessed that the arrest was not possible without the help from Pakistan. Could you please inform us more about the arrest?

Mr. Narui: I also greet you and your audience. As we have stated in our previous communiques Mr Rigi the leader of Jondollah was arrested and several countries had cooperated in this arrest. Pakistan and Afghanistan are among these countries where Afghanistan played a more prominent and major role in this arrest.  Although Afghanistan denies any involvement but we have some secure information sources and documents which indicates that both Afghanistan and the inteligence services of Pakistan are involved in this act against the Baloch nation. The Baloch nation is suppressed by these countries as well and since Mr Rigi was against this suppression they wanted him arrested.  Additionally, Israel was also involved in this arrest. The Israeli intelligence service met with the Iranian embassador in Kabul and the arrest was performed after these behind scene meetings.

HM Rozhn TV : You have said in your statements that the information from the Iranian government sources are wrong. What is then the correct information?

Mr. Narui: There are contradictory details in the information given by the Iranian information ministry. It is not correct that Mr Rigi was arrested aboard a plane. He was arrested in Afghanistan.

HM Rozhn TV: when was your last contact with Mr Rigi?

Mr Narui: I met with Mr Rigi two weeks befor his arrest and discussed some matters with him. I also had telefon contact with him two days before his arrest as well.

HM Rozhn TV: The reports say that mr Rigi was not alone at the time of arrest. Could you say whether any body else has been arrested with him and if yes who is (are) the others?

Mr Narui: Yes, a second person whos name is Abdul Malek as well, however, his nick name is Hamzah. He is brother in law of Mr Rigi and has no and never had any position in Jondollah. He was with Rigi because of his family relation. There has never been second person in Jondollah, although the regime claims that evry body is arrested or executed was the second person in the organization. The only real deputy was the person (Zaher) who is now incharge of the organization.

HM Rozhn TV: It has been said that the arrest was made possible because of cooaperation of people from inside Balochistan, is this correct?

Mr Narui: No, fortunately no Baloch has been involved in the arrest but we have arrested one person from the intelligence service of the Iranian government.

HM Rozhn TV: it has been claimed that you have some contacts with some foreign countries but you have denied these reports. So where do you get your resources from?

Mr Narui: We have never accepted any help or assistance from other countries. Let me make it clear that we have no problems to have any contact with other countries in order to inform them about the oppression we are going through. While Iran is using Chinese instruments to suppress our nation and uses Israeli intelligence to arrest the leader of our organization we have never had any contact with the intelligence services that are operating in the region.  

HM Rozhn TV You just pointed out that you are struggling for Baloch rights. What do you mean by these rights?

Mr Narui: The land of Balochistan belongs to Baloch people and the Fars have no rights in this land and should not rule in this region The Baloch should have the right of self-determination  in their own land and this the most basic right. The regime has launched a vast propaganda against Baloch people while the Fars have no right to rule in Balochistan. The Fars  should rule in the Fars regions like Mashahad, Esfahan and other Fars-speking regions. Balochistan historically belongs to the Baloch people and the Baloch should have the right to determine their own destiny and should rule in their own region. Although the Baloch comprise the majority in Balochistan only 5% of provincial officials are ethnic Baloch. These 5% occupy only low ranking positions in the province. Some argues that the regime is providing some infrastructure such as electricity and roads. Our response is that we ourself can do these things without being slaves for the regime. Even the regime is taking properties and homes from the Baloch people.

Rozhn TV:  When your movement started its activities and what were the reason?

Mr Narui: the movement was begun in 2002-2003 by 5 persons including myself, Mr Rigi, Haji Mohammad Zaher, a third person who is now a millitary commander and 2 others who were martyred. The reasons behind are many but we saw the insults against the Baloch people from the regime. We saw that how the regime was creating conflicts among various tribes and we could not tolerate these insults and therefore started doing some thing about these insults and injustice. I was myself witness that 11 young people were hanged. We started armed struggle.

Rozhn TV: recently you have changed your tactics, any reasons for that?

Mr Narui: Our armed operations were in fact a warning to the regime. Partisan operations have their advantage and also their disadvantages. As you know the regime has a strong military force and it is difficult to combat but operations like those in Sarawan and Pishin can not be stopped by the regime since they are performed only by one person. We also recently had some partisan operations in Sarawan where 11 perosn from regime were killed.

Rozhn TV: How do you see the situation in Iran now?

Mr Narui: You have just seen the propaganda run by the regime after the arrest of our leader, Rigi. But I can say that even after his arrest we have been contacted by atleast 50 persons to perform operations.

Rozhn TV: How do you want to tell the people that you are right?

Mr Narui: The world knows that we are sruggling for our land, defending our religion and our dignity. The regime is executing discrimination as it was in the aparthide regime of South Africa or in time of colonialism in India. India is today a great and free land. We want to defend our land against the insult of the non-baloch.

Naroui: Zahedan is still the capital of Balochistan which now is a Persian city. Isn't it injustice? How the regime implements change of demography in Balochistan to settle and settlement population in Baluchistan. They do the same as Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. But Israel is occupying places, and is sinners. Iran is doing a good job against us, the Iranian regime says that we have to do industrial work to build up our economy, and thereafter we have to build homes.

This is proceedings for the benefit of foreigners. Iran is trying to do Zahedan in terms of demographic development and conversion to a predominantly Persian city. This is tragically and criminal from the Iranian part. If Israel can do so is a crime, and if they (Iranian) do, then it's a good job for the Baloch people. It was an injustice and crimes as we were forced to perform a Suicide attacks. If there was no injustice and crime, none of the youngster was ready for Suicide attacks and to kill themselves. They tell us, you are terrorists, No! We are fighting for our rights. People in Balochistan are suppressed. The Baloch people are living in horrible poverty. And this silence will end one day and there will be a revolution. And the government is forced to walk out of Balochistan.

They must give the actual human right, so that the Baloch people have right to self-determination. That's all the Baloch people wants. We have not attacked Shiite and Persian peoples. They think we are attacking ordinary people, but we are not targeting innocent people. Many Persian works in the villages. If we detonate a bomb in the city of Zabol it makes all people in vain. But we have not done this action and we would not do it. The regime is a criminal regime. We are under pressure. We are compelled to resist. Young people who do resistance and willingness to sacrifice their lives. These young people have a great injustice. If there was no injustice no oppression, no one would be ready to sacrifice their lives.

There is not permissible to journalists coming to Balochistan and Zahedan to obtain news.

In some villages there are not any men they either fled or been killed or executed. In the villages like Nosrat Abad, Gonbad and Sarjangal, thousands of the people's legs were blown off by mine explosion. Was it not an injustice? Iran attaches mines in the ground are a good job! It is a crime no matter who done it.

Baluchistan has risen today. And it would not allow further oppression of the population.

If the system has no information about the popular resistance movement in one area, the whole area will be bombed.

Everything would be destroyed. We have not attacked them, they will attack us. We believe in the principles and laws. But if they continue with it, so we know what to do.

VOA:

Abdul Malik Rigi is a product of the Baluch people who are suffering. Baloch people remain in poverty remained in denial. 30 years after the 1979 revolution, people been very oppressed and poor. The children receive education in slums and hut. Unemployment and drugs in Balochistan has risen dramatically. And the government has no interest, for disadvantaged people. It is an atmosphere of disappointment and injustice, they are justifying their arguments for executing him.

If you like it or not, Mr. Abdul Malik Rigi becomes a hero if he gets executed. If the system wants to put down the anger of the Baloch people and if there are problems to overcome to do with judgment so it is not the way he gets humiliated or transmit his confessions.

Poverty problems should be separate and not confused with discrimination in the province and there must find a solution for it. If the Islamic Republic wanted to resolve the problem, then it could be done quickly, but they don't want to solve it. Nowadays there is discrimination throughout the country; the authorities have created poverty and corruption.

And nowadays the whole country suffers from corruption, poverty and discrimination by the authorities.

HM Rozhn TV:  Over the seven and eight years you have fought and you have made two negotiations with the government. What is the reason that the first negotiation failed?

The other talks were a couple of months ago, what is the reason for that there been none results yet? Thank you.

Mr Naroui:The fact is that the system will not allow and respect all rights of Baluch people and Sunnis.

We told of our negotiations that we will discuss the Balochistan people's rights. If they accept negotiations, we are talking about it. If the problem is solved by talking, and assigns rights and allow the political effort, we are ready to stop our armed fights.

We say that the fight does not end until the Baloch people will have their full rights and we fight until the moment we get the rights. 

We will not lead an armed movement if we get our rights. The system must be ready to take a step towards human rights. And then we will declare a ceasefire. This debate is a political issue and a process. The regime has handed over Baluchistan with all facilities to Zaboli people. This is a process that requires time. We give this possibility to the regime.

Take the first step to solve the problem. Next we declare a ceasefire and we will stop fighting.

We just announced a ceasefire to be sure that they take the necessary steps or not.

We have a prerequisite; the prerequisite must be published under the negotiations. A prerequisite is that the borders are completely handed to Baloch people. The rest should give full rights. Of course we think logically, we think real. We are ready to give the regime a brief opportunity to take a step in the right direction, but the regime did not take any steps. They want to waste time. And personally I think the regime has wasted enough time.

The regime's domestic and foreign policy failed, and even economic policy has failed.

Lying to the people and lying to the world, and they will lie over to domestic organizations and groups.

We have discussed this issue in the Central Council. The leader of the movement believed that the issues will be resolved through dialogue. We believe that we solve the problems. The regime is wasting time. If they really want to solve the problems we have to negotiate. The regime has not taken any concrete steps to solve the problems. We say to the regime and its supporters that they should stop their crimes and come back to the negotiations.

HM Rozhn TV: As you know Baloch and Zabolis have lived together for years. Why now these people are in conflict and how can one solve this conflict?

Mr Narui: The regime has used Shia Zabolis against Baloch during these 30 years. There are extremist elements among Zabolis such as Mr Shariari who are against Baloch people. Most of military nad civil servants are from Zabolis. These have commited huge crimes against people and this has caused that the Baloch hate these people. We have warned these elements and we are now asking them to stop their support for the regime and stop their crimes. We invite them to halt their criminal actions. I can tell you that our arrested leader had a very moderate position towards Zabolis. We invite all people to solve their conflicts through peaceful means.

HM Rozhn TV: Thank you Mr Narui.

Mr Narui: Thank you. 

language Balochi 

Produced, Edited and Report by: Homayoon Mobaraki

Interview with Mr. Kamal Norui Top Political Advisor of Jundollah